7/26 News, Links, Discussion: Trade Deadline Talk, Recapping NL East Moves
July 26, 2012 at 10:51 am by David Lee under Atlanta Braves
Trade Deadline Activity
Franklin was on top of the Ryan Dempster situation, and the previous link is the most recent information available, saying the Braves have moved on from Dempster. While a return to negotiations is possible, it’s more likely the Braves will look elsewhere for their pitching.
The Brewers are in sell mode after getting swept in consecutive series. That means Zack Greinke will most likely go, it’s just a matter of when. From Tom Haudricourt: “The Braves thought they had a deal for Cubs right-hander Ryan Dempster but he apparently exercised veto rights and nixed it. Atlanta has scouted Greinke heavily and would like to sign him as a free agent this winter no matter where he is traded. The primary trade bait is a trio of young pitchers – Julio Teheran, Randall Delgado and Mike Minor. The Brewers are thought to rank Teheran first and probably would want another prospect as well.”
More Links
Braves.com recap for Wednesday’s win.
AJC quotes following Wednesday’s win.
Fredi Gonzalez on Kris Medlen starting: “That’s an option. It was nice for us to be able to do that, just to give us that option. Roger and I were talking about maybe going to a fourth inning, but he had pitched on Monday, so we didn’t want to take him further than that. But that [starting] is an option going forward. We could do that. It all depends on how we come through the couple of games before that turn comes.”
Around the NL East
Some Marlins were happy to see Hanley Ramirez get traded to Los Angeles. One in particular, it seems, who remained anonymous.
Keith Law analyzes the Hanley deal (Insider).
James Gentile of Beyond the Box Score examines Jordan Zimmermann and “pitching to contact.”
Bill Baer of Crashburn Alley analyzes the Cole Hamels extension. Hamels was given six years and $144 million.
Mets rookie Matt Harvey is making his major league debut today, and Carson Cistulli of FanGraphs has some notes on the debut.
John Sickels of Minor League Ball reviews his preseason top 20 prospects for the Nationals.
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For all the complaining I do about Fredi, I really do admire the way he handled Hanley Ramirez when he was in Florida.
Agreed. I have always disliked Hanley. I think he does not respect the game, and it shows by some of the comments pulled from his former teammates. I agree completely with Mr. Anonymous.
I don’t want the Braves to trade away any of those three for a two-month rental. It’s sacrificing the long term for the short term.
I don’t know how often this is done, but it would be absolutely worth teheran and delgado and just about any position prospect in the system to trade for greinke with a negotiating window, such that if an agreement on an extension cannot be reached, the deal falls through. I’m still hoping wren pulls josh johnson out of a giant hat, though.
Josh Johnson would be a risky proposition. His fastball velocity is down a bit, and that’s usually considered to be a red flag, indicating a possible injury.
He sure stymied the ish out of us with that lowered velocity.
HA…so true!
Yeah, but does that project well for the future?
@Chuck
That goes back to what it would cost to get him. I wouldn’t call him a being a risk as the culprit for holding up a potential deal. The holdup, IMHO, will be the price for him. The Marlins really don’t want to move him so I expect their asking price is astronomical.
At what point do the Braves make Teheran available? I was at his last start in Gwinnett on Tuesday and he looked awful.
I honestly don’t think ANYONE is untouchable, even though they are made out to be. If the right offer comes Wren’s way, he’d be crazy not to take it. The question is, what is the “right” offer.
“One executive wondered if the Cubs might offer Dempster $1MM to go to Atlanta if the Braves are willing to surrender considerably more than the Dodgers, Joel Sherman of the New York Post writes (Twitter links). Someone like Randall Delgado might be worth enough to make up for the one-time cost of $1MM.”
Apparently, Joel Sherman and said executive are freaking morons if they think that’s going to happen.
What are the rumors concerning the upcoming glut of position players when Wilson, Diaz, and Simmons all come off the DL pretty close together? Obviously Pastornicky could go back down to Gwinnett until roster expansion in September. That still leaves Wilson and Janish vying to backup Simmons. I’m personally crossing my fingers for Constanza to not have a bloop hitting showcase like last season when he endeared himself to Fredi because that would make it that much harder for Fredi to send him back down and instead try to dispose of Hinske or Diaz to keep Constanza on the big team.
I could be wrong, but I think the idea behind getting Janish, aside from the need because of injuries, was to replace Wilson. I’m thinking he’ll be DFA’d upon return.
Frank Wren deserves a swift kick to the face if he doesn’t outright release Wilson upon his return.
Any idea if we’re looking at Vernon Wells as a bench bat? The Angels have said they don’t want to keep him around, and would eat a lot of his owed salary. I don’t think it would take much to get him, and he would be a much better option than Diaz or Hinske, regardless of match-up. Also makes Chipper’s off days much more manageable. Anyone heard anything of the Braves going after him?
The only way I’d be in favor of Wells coming to the Braves is if the Angels ate every single penny of the salary owed to him and the Braves didn’t give up a prospect any higher than A ball.
Fredi also had Hanley bunt multiple times. Once would be enough to turn me into an asshole if I was batting 340.
Why would the Rays want to move Shields at this point? They’re only 2 games out of the wild card. Have they been playing terribly lately? I know Longoria is hurt but it’s still a good team. Maybe he has finally gotten too old to be in their rotation.
Also: what’s up w comments “awaiting moderation”? Because I wrote **shole?
I don’t think they are necessarily “wanting” to move him because of still being close, but they are willing to entertain offers on him.
If you’re getting the “awaiting moderation” message, it’s because you sent a message from an unregistered IP address I believe.
Makes sense. Was in a cab.
LOL those cabs….
This is going to be a HUGE stretch, I know. But with the Brewers looking to shed contracts as well as Greinke, is there a possibility of grabbing up Hart included with Greinke? I’m assuming that he can play left field, of course. But he would fill the need for a RH outfield power bat and is under contract until 2014.
Would that kind of a deal be worth a Delgado, Teheran, and a prospect bat? Maybe if we can get a negotiating window for an extension on Greinke.
What do we do with Prado/Chipper/Hart? Hart should be an everyday starter somewhere. If Chipper and Prado are in the lineup, I’m not replacing Bourn or Heyward with Hart. It would be nice to have him on the bench and be in OF next year when Bourn leaves (assuming there’s a Greinke extension) but he doesn’t deserve to sit on the bench, and none of our current starters do either. (unless Hart can learn to play SS)
Ha… I don’t disagree with you at all. It would definitely create a log jam. But it would also give the ability to rest Chipper/Prado/Heyward/Freeman at any given time. I was actually trying to figure a way to grab either Hart or Ramirez, but Ramirez only playing 3rd severely damages that idea.
. I agree with you that I would not want to replace Bourn or Heyward with Hart, but what about moving Prado to 2B some of the time(especially when Chipper is resting) and effectively replacing Uggla’s cold bat with Hart?
This would be a good time for a MLB version of ESPN’s trade machine.
I’d pull the trigger on a Greinke (extension agreement) and Hart for Delgado, Teheran, Francisco, prospect bat. But then again, maybe that’s why I’m not a GM :)
I agree a quick fix would be replacing Uggla’s cold bat. But he is a very good, professional hitter, and if we give up on him he stands no chance of getting it together by the time September and October come around. Last year, I felt awful for Heyward because he couldn’t find a groove because Fredi kept playing Constanza. We saw last year what Uggla can do when he heats up, and I wouldn’t want to take the bat out of his hands, effectively, for the rest of the season. I think there are other low cost niche players that would serve the Braves better than Hart, although if there was a way to make it work, I’m all for it. I just don’t see what that way could be.
UNLESS we negotiate a contract w Greinke before the trade, Teheran should absolutely not be included. And obviously not Minor. We won’t make it deep into the playoffs w our current rotation (including RD, excluding JJ), but what the hell? Why not patch the holes we have (MEDLEN) and trade B level prospects for 2 relievers. Broxton sure as hell won’t cost an A prospect.
I agree with you on the first part Viva. But, I’m taking that part into my assumption in getting Greinke… that he’s agreed to an extension. If not, there’s no way the Braves would consider trading away both of them. Especially with the opportunity to grab him in the offseason.
If we trade and extend Gienke and extend either McCann or Bourn then we can say goodbye to Heyward after 2015 and Freeman after 2016. Not to mention Kimbrel or Hanson or Minor or any other young guy that will start getting expensive (while still young) and we are going to be tied down to aging (30+ yo) players.
Nothing against McCann whatsoever, but he’s not “young” anymore for his position. Obviously, the team will offer him a “hometown” extension, but that doesn’t mean he won’t test the market. Think you can pretty much rest assured that we won’t offer Hanson an extension being that he is a Boras client and there are health concerns. Bourn, as much as we want to keep him and will probably make him a very lucrative offer, is probably doing to leave as well.
The money will be there for Heyward, Freeman, and Minor.
I forgot Beachy too.
I think Hanson’s slower-than-expected progression could get us a discount with him, especially with injury history. And Beachy’s injury, although extremely unfortunate, could mean a smaller contract for him as well. Is it bad that I want everyone to perform JUST bad enough to keep us winning?
Got me there… That guy has a very bright future IMO.
so what you think the Braves are going to have a payroll around $40-50m by 2016? Or do you believe that Bourn and Greinke will cost $30m each per season?
I expect payroll to stay the same. I expect we will have two players for a combined 30-35M. (Bourn/Grienke/McCann/future outfield signee). The problem I see is that leaves us not a lot of wiggle room (50-60M total)to fill out the rest of the roster. Especially with our young core that will be ending their arbitration years starting around 2015.I forgot we will have cleared Uggla and Hudson by then. but 2014 will be rough with so many talent younger players getting around 6-8M through arbitration and Uggla still on contract
Greinke WILL be traded…
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/dailypitch/post/2012/07/brewers-zack-greinke-trade/1#.UBGv82GXTah
How does announcing something like that affect their leverage?
I’m no expert, but I would imagine that it lessens their leverage. In my eyes, if I think someone is not available, I’m going to offer more. However, if I know a team is urgently trying to move someone before a deadline, I’m going to offer less. But, in that game, you run the risk of someone out-bidding you.
They must feel the need to encourage teams like Texas and Anaheim to try and push each other. Otherwise it does not make sense like Michael said.
Let me clarify, they may feel that the Rangers and Angels, knowing someone will get him, may bid higher to keep the other from getting him. They must feel they already have all the leverage thinking Greinke is the only gauranteed ace to be moved at the deadline.
I’m sure that front offices and GMs know when someone is on the “trading block” so they really just announced it to us the general public. Personally I don’t think that changes anything. He is a top of the rotation pitcher and only 28 (still in his prime), other than being a free agent at the end of the year the Brewers hold all the power and teams are going to bid high for him.
Please no more rumors about Ryan Cum Dumptser.
BREAKING NEWS!!!!!! ZACK GREINKE & RYAN BRAUN TRADED 2 ATLANTA BRAVES!!! Delgado, Julio, Salcedo, Bethancourt, Gilmartin……..
Wake up, Wake up… It was all A Dream BRAVES fans. We could definitely afford 40mill annually for both players, however Milwaukee will forever push BRAUN as their next Yount. CJ10 to US. I believe FW will bring in ZACK at a Julio plus Spruill type deal… Hopefully there’s a sleeper ace to be had at a more reasonable rate…Delgado is very close to turning the corner IMO…Julio may just need a consistent dose of confidence & positive performances… We have options. Trade young talent for proven horse , possibly win world series. Or give Julio, Delgado consistent big league starts…Or trade 4 two top notch relievers 4 Delgado plus..Personally GREINKE will cost too much in talent. Let Kris Meds go 2 work. He deserves the next opportunity to start …JJ days are dwindling unless he can find better command, pinpoint accuracy ala Maddux . Kris Meds in rotation will stabilize US…trade for two shut down top notch relievers and were cooking with grease..that’d be my move..Then sign GREINKE in the off season.WIN-WIN…..IJS
What?
Are there any Red Sox pitchers that are on Valentine’s shitlist? Maybe the Braves could send them Constanza and Diaz for Lester. That type of deal worked for the White Sox when they picked up Youkilis.
Last I saw… The Red Sox are in a buy mode and not in a particular sell situation. They have said that Lester is not available.
I think Valentine’s on the players’ shitlist.
The Red Sox don’t need any outfielders anyway.