10/17 Odds & Ends: Hudson in Atlanta, McCann’s Surgery, Winter League Notes
October 17, 2012 at 12:53 pm by David Lee under Atlanta Braves
Tim Hudson wants to remain a Brave for the rest of his career. Hudson’s $9 million option for 2013 will almost certainly be picked up, but it’s beyond next year that’s in question.
I wrote the following in response to a Dave Cameron blurb on ESPN questioning picking up Hudson’s option:
“Hudson’s velocity has dropped slightly this year, but his contact rates haven’t changed, and he isn’t benefiting from BABIP any more than usual. He’s also allowing fewer home runs than his career average, and his FIP is identical to his career mark.
Will Hudson decline? Of course. He’s 37 years old. But to throw up red flags based on a slight drop in velocity and swinging strike rate for a pitcher who relies on completely different factors to succeed isn’t how you go about determining his decline.”
As I said, the Braves will almost certainly pick up Hudson’s option, but what he is worth after that is a pretty big question. It’s tough to consider more than a couple years for a 38-39-year-old pitcher, but Hudson’s success based on weak contact more than velocity is in his favor as he declines. Depending on the rotation’s outlook and his own health a year from now, I would be hard pressed to give him more than two years.
Brian McCann underwent surgery on his right shoulder Tuesday. Earlier in the day, everyone was optimistic that the surgery would only limit McCann to mid-February. However, the surgery revealed a bigger tear than a recent MRI showed, and it will likely push him back to the beginning of spring training before he can begin activities. This will probably push McCann’s 2013 debut to sometime in April.
Mark Bowman notes the Braves haven’t committed to McCann’s $12 million option and have until three days after the conclusion of the World Series to make the decision. Even though the Braves might not have McCann for opening day, the option will likely get picked up if for no other reason than there’s no better option for the job. McCann’s history says $12 million is a solid deal for his career numbers, and if healthy, there’s no reason to believe he can’t return to that.
Jerry Beach penned an outstanding piece on Chipper Jones and himself. I hope you take the time to read this in full, because it deserves that.
Eno Sarris of FanGraphs writes on Freddie Freeman’s season.
Minor League and Draft Notes
Mike Newman of FanGraphs ranks the third basemen he has seen in the minors this season. The list includes Edward Salcedo, Brandon Drury and Kyle Kubitza of the Braves.
Matt Garrioch of Minor League Ball reports on Josh Hart, a prep outfielder from Lilburn, Ga. Hart is committed to Georgia Tech.
Don Olsen of Bullpen Banter has several reports on prep left-handers for the upcoming draft, including Trey Ball, who looks like a solid first-round talent.
Nick Faleris of Baseball Prospectus continues his series looking at early draft prep with a few infielders and catchers from the high school ranks. The list includes Nick Ciuffo, a good-looking catcher from Lexington, S.C.
Fall/Winter League Notes
Arizona Fall League:
Edward Salcedo – 2-24, 1 2B, 1 3B, 2 BB, 5 K, 1 SB
Nick Ahmed – 6-13, 1 2B, 1 3B, 1 BB, 1 K, 1 SB
Matt Kennelly – 1-9, 1 BB, 1 K
Zeke Spruill – 5.1 IP, 5 H, 2 R, 1 ER, 2 BB, 5 K
Ryan Buchter – 4 IP, 2 H, 1 ER, 4 BB, 2 K
Chris Jones – 3.2 IP, 3 H, 2 ER, 3 BB, 3 K
Cory Rasmus – 2 IP, 2 H, 1 ER, 1 BB, 4 K
Venezuela:
Evan Gattis – 6-19, 4 2B, 1 HR, 0 BB, 2 K
Ernesto Mejia – 6-22, 1 2B, 1 3B, 1 HR, 0 BB, 8 K
Josh Kroeger – 3-15, 5 BB, 2 K, 1 SB
Jose Yepez – 0-1
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Hey guys!
I was just reading some more comments on the infield fly rule call in the play off game. My thought is “would the St. Louis Manager have complained if the infield fly rule was not called on that play? I don’t think so. Also, the Braves had a good season which should be recognized rather than the poor play in a stupid one game playoff.
Ahoy there!
I don’t know about you guys, but I think Gattis would do a much better job behind the plate for us in 2013. amirite or amirite??
Yes I totally agree that Gattis should be the catcher in 2013 I think the Braves should do two things with McCann, one is move him to either first or third or decline his option and have use him money towards signing either Bourne Upton or Hamilton.
That was a joke, Dickus.
Gattis is interesting, but projecting him to starting catcher in 2013 is optimistic. It’s not out of the question, but I don’t think we can bank on it. I’m pretty sure all we know is that he destroys A-ball pitching.
I am a little surprised to see this site propose, “the option will likely get picked up if for no other reason than there’s no better option for the job”. I understand that is how you feel from a catching perspective, but shouldn’t the question be, is there a better option for the $12 M dollars? I like Brian McCann, but his doubles production has been on a steady decline and there is no gaurantee 2013 will see “career numbers” after repair of a torn labrum in someone who will be doing quite a bit of throwing in their job description. When this contract was done his last three years of production is not what I think the organization was expecting to be getting for $12M, not to mention that will make 2013 his highest paid year. I am frankly surprised at how glibly so many are willing to pick up the option considering this is a team that needs to be frugal with their payroll. Would like to see this fleshed out some more over the next week at CAC as I do not currently have the knowledge to do so in the depth that you guys are capable, but I will do some more digging and homework.
I think it’s very reasonable to expect McCann to meet his 2011 performance, which was 4.1 WAR worth $18.4 mil. Good catchers aren’t too easy to come by and though it’s tough having a lot of money set aside for a guy who is probably going to sit once a week, I think exercising McCann’s option should kinda be a definite thing. He was mostly crap in 2012 but I have a hard time believing he won’t bounce back from that. And if not, enter David Ross. I could maybe see the Braves not picking up the option if Bethancourt hadn’t been injured and hadn’t hit like shit in AA. Signing Canns to a longer term deal post-2013–to me–largely depends on Bethancourts production. Like I was saying, good catchers are pretty hard to find. Especially ones from the team’s home state who is a fan favorite and sells a lot of jerseys.
There really aren’t any catcher option internally we can depend on to be above replacement in a full time role. Ross is good and all, but he’s old and not really upt to the grind of 130 games behind the plate. Gattis is interesting, but they are trying him in left for a reason (not too hot behind the dish, not terrible, but defensively meh is the word). The free agent market is full of guys who are either old (Jose Molina,Matt Treanor,Barajas) defensively oriented (Shoppach) expensive (Napoli, AJ. Pierzynski) or mediocre-crappy(everyboy else).
Even if Mac comes back and goes .260/.340/.430 he will be worth his contract
Horrible idea not to pick up his option. One bad season and it really was injury plagued. Cutting lose on a player of McCann’s caliber is not only a bad idea, but a bad precedent to follow in the future. I agree, getting rid of/not re-signing players that are no longer valuable but McCann does not fall into either of those fields. 1 of 2 things will happen: he will play great and be worth every dime of the 12 mil, or he won’t and it will save us long term contract money because we know that the McCann we know and love it no longer the McCann in uniform. I think a player of McCann’s stature deserves another shot.
Off topic, but watching the Yankees get thoroughly punked fills my heart with glee.
i think the ideal option would be to not pick up McCann’s option and find a platoon partner for Ross (similar to what Cincinnati did the past few years with Hanigan/Hernandez and tried to do with Hanigan/Mesoraco). The obvious questions are is there a common sense partner to Ross for that and is he(they) even available. If that doesn’t work, there are worse things to do than pick up his option. Even with last year’s disaster, McCann has been worth approx. 2.5 WAR since 2009 and at $12M is worth the risk.
McCann is a fan favorite. Got it. But the fact of the matter is that he will be a 29 year old, unathletic catcher with seven seasons of backstopping under his belt, who just happens to be recovering from major shoulder surgery. When you add in the fact that catchers tend to age faster than other position players, I think the results of the cost-benefit analysis become obvious. Now if the Braves pick up the option because of a lack of better options, that’s one thing. But to suggest that $12M can’t be better spent to improve the team seems a bit far-fetched to me.
I think it would be extremely short-sighted not to pick up McCann’s option. Think back to post-2011 season when we were ready to trade Prado for Delmon Young and we wrote Jason Heyward off as a bust. Obviously we’re frustrated with Mac right now but he was playing injured, just as Prado and Heyward were during 2011. We should be glad he was tough enough to get out there and play as regularly as he did with what seems like a pretty severe labrum tear. Giving him time to heal FULLY will do a lot for him. I think Ross can handle a month of catching duties until Mac is ready to go. Also, he still hit 20 homers in his worst season yet. I would be very surprised if he doesn’t end up being worth at least $12M.
On another note, am I the only one terrified with the realization that we aren’t going to be able to sign a LHB for however long Heyward/McCann/Freeman are extended? Well, that is, if we want to beat a shit tossing lefty sometime in the next 5 years.
Extension talk aside… I think we can bet on McCann NOT being extended, unless he’s willing to take a very team-friendly deal.
I’m assuming you meant a RIGHT handed bat.
And who is this “we” who wanted to trade Prado for Young and wrote off Heyward. I think this site has consistently backed Heyward’s performance and were one of the few that–while 2011 was a disappointment for him–it wasn’t that bad. He was still a 2.1 WAR right fielder for league minimum. That’s still better than Freeman’s best year so far: 2.0. And the majority of us here laughed at the idea of trading Prado for Delmon Young, or Seth Smith, or whoever else’s name came up.
I’m not disagreeing with you. All of the regulars here seem to want McCann to stay around. It’s the babbling heads that come up with all the ridiculous talk of those trades. They’re the same ones writing off McCann. Just warning to not get ahead of ourselves until we see him play healthy. If he comes back in 2013 and plays like an All-Star again, why doesn’t he get an extension?
And I did mean LEFT handed bat. As in all of our important bats, except for Prado, are left handed. And we can’t hit lefties. So we likely can’t sign another one, unless we want to keep sacrificing games vs. LHP.
depends on the Lefty and his splits against lefties. some guys don”t drop off as bad as others.
Though, if both center and left are filled with RHB’s it will free the team up longterm to acquire either hand without being too out of balance…
What does everyone think about picking up Betemit to be a lHB off the bench? O’s may not really have a use for him and he’s technically a switch hitter (tho terrible from the right side) he saves you from burning a pinch hitter if there’ a pitching change pre PA…
I reckon he wouldn’t cost much to acquire either.
Rumor says the Yankees might be willing to take McCann, if the Braves were willing to take A-Rod. I imagine the Yankees would provide additional compensation to grease the deal.
The option for 2013 is a TEAM OPTION, dumbass. If the Braves didn’t want to take on McCann’s contract then they just wouldn’t sign it. Ass-Rod hasn’t had a season as good as Prado’s 2010 or 2012 since 2008, so why the HELL would we want that guy? His winning personality? Take this shitty drivel back to the AJC.
bwahahaha, they’d have to give us $90 mill to make it even close. Arod would only be a viable 3B option for a couple of years, them we’d have to trade him again to some AL team to DH.
Stranger things have happened, but IF he’s moved, it really should be to another AL club.
so we lose one beat-up third baseman with bad knees only to pick up another beat-up third baseman with bad knees? And lose a silver slugging catcher? Talk about getting fleeced.. Arod is gonna be a huge pick up for somebody, bit probably not the braves
I would honestly rather have Juan Francisco playing third base than the Ass-Rod. He isn’t an option for the Braves, so can the discussion just disappear? Thanks!
Vivabeta, Anyone as critical as you are about other folks’ posts, should be careful not to say things that further reinforce that you are a douche. Saying that you would rather have Francisco at 3rd rather than ARod is extremely douchey.
Could McCann and ARoid play 3B with no SS and the Barves still make the Worls Serrious?
I love the offseason.
It would be laughable not to pick up McCann’s option for next year. Of course over on talking chop they have posters who want to start Bethancourt in the majors next season, which would be a disaster.
All our offense needs is a huge question mark at SS, CF, 2B, 3B, AND catcher.
A question at SS? Really? No young, cheap, amazing fielding, surprisingly good bat comes to mind for you to man SS?
I’m a huge fan of Andrelton and I’m confident he’ll be one of the most–if not THE MOST–valuable SS in the NL with the glove. He was very impressive with the bat this season, but if you’re kidding yourself if you think he’s a sure bet to have another .289/ .335 / .416 line in 2013. I’m not saying he can’t do it, I’m just saying no one should assume we’re going to get above average production from him offensively, hence the “question mark.” Hell, Hinske was the rookie of the year in his first campaign. This is the same as stating this about Uggla. Is it a possibility he can hit 35 HRs with a high OBP? Of course, since he did it for multiple seasons. But that’s not what we have seen in Atlanta.
The point of my comment was that multiple years of production from Prado, Heyward, McCann, and (to a lesser extent) Freeman provide evidence to say that they will all succeed with the bat in 2013.
Im honestly confused on why we are even talking about this. BMac was hurt as shit and still was a 2 fWAR player. The only other time he has been less than 4 WAR is in 2007 when he was 2.2 and im pretty sure that was the year that he couldnt even see.
So lets say that he recovers from his surgery and gets back to his regular form…he’s a 4-5 WAR catcher. For $12 million, that is f’ing awesome.
And if you dont understand what I just said, you probably should not be on this site.
Now can we start talking about what’s really important? Like, is it too early to buy out some of Freeman’s or Heyward’s arb years? Who is going to play 3rd or LF for us next year? WTF do we do at CF?
Oh shit yea, Cards got fisted tonight. So happy.
Trade Delgado , gilmartin, spruill 4 Justin Upton asap…we can absorb remaining years @ 15per, sign his bro bj at reasonable rate , let’s say 4yrs 30 mill avg 7plus…..I’ve always felt like Kelly Johnson should return to Atl dropping 20-25 he’s 20 bags 20/20 seasons consistently…could play left field too
Line up
Bj Upton/KELLY JOHNSON
M Prado 3rd
J Hey
Justin Upton
Freddie Freeman
Uggla
B MAC
A Simmons
*Facepalm*
*Facepalm*
“bro bj”
That would give us the best outfield in the game, well over 100 stolen bases combined plus power, Bj Upton,.Justin Upton,.j hey all capable of 20/20 to 30/30 seasons…if Bj can’t b had for reasonable bargain then sign Kelly Johnson or angel pagan….with Justin Upton middle of line up Justin in lf j hey in right…probably be one of the best lh/ rh 3-4 combo in entire national league….it’s time to win , now
Plus Bj Upton might take a lesser contract to play on same team,.same outfield with his Brother..I’m sure they dreamt that growing up…we need Prado at 3rd,, I truly wish we could dump uggla and move Prado back2 his all star position…..also hoping b Mac comes back 100% healthy drops 25-30 Homers with 285 batting avg or better…he still has few more silver slugger seasons before he moves to AL dh
Were you sent here to make the post-season even more depressing for us?
I assume we’ve all thought about pointing out exactly why that’s the most awful thing I’ve read in awhile, but decided against it?
Please, please stop posting on this site. “I’m sure they dreamt that growing up…” I understand you are just posting what you would like to happen, but this is not the place for that. Also, to give up Delgado, Spruill, and Gilmartin for Justin Upton is crazy.
I apologize to do another post back to back but this also irks me…it’s time to win now? I would love to win now, who would not but we have a team that is being built to win for a long time. Yes, as a Braves fan it gets old saying next season every year but we have to remember after john schuerholz left, our minor league systems had gone bare. We tried to “win now” by bringing in Teixera. We have built a very good young team, a very good farm system again, and after 94 wins this year and even a bad new idea “play in game” we are set to be a playoff contender for a long time. Wren has made some great moves to keep us contending with a small budget, and we keep this budget by keeping home drafting well, coaching through the system well, and keeping home grown players. IMO, we did win now, 94 wins. We just didn’t win the World Series unfortunately…
Ozzie Guillen got fired.
Haha.
Maybe we could pick up Giancarlo from them? Time to win now.
Seriously…..what if the 2007-2009 BJ shows up true 2 form, lives up to hype..only 4 bargain rate , with incentive of playing with his brother…would be a outfield 4 the ages….we have some available arms, why not use them wisely….maybe Delgado, Gilmartin will get Arizona listening…Prado 3rd,, uggla bounces back, b Mac healthy…devastating, destroying,damage,producing braves line up…how many people truly believe either Hanson or Maholm makes it all season without being traded??? Huddy Minor locked in..but the best case scenario braves trades 2 current starters hanson , paul, plus prospects 2 acquire 1 or 2 premium outfielders @ winter mtgs then sign greinke to anchor young guns Julio and Delgado….the sleeper being Brandon beachy coming back 4 final stretch, repeating what meds brought to
First of all, why would you expect all of these trends to suddenly switch directions? What has pointed to Uggla ‘bouncing back?’ You also initially said $15M/yr for Justin Upton plus $7+M/yr for Bro BJ. Considering the Braves use their money wisely and start buying out arb years for Heyward and Freeman, plus working on extensions for Prado, Medlen, and possibly McCann, where are you seeing that we can spend $22M on 2 players? Sure, we could probably structure things to afford it, but why would we? Wren said we would target elite players, but he also said if we can add two players that will help the team more than 1 big one, we’re going to do it. The Braves have too many needs to go around signing big names and relying on brother discounts to field a team. Obviously we will have a few new players on the field next year, but the Braves will be much more resourceful than you’re expecting.
I understand that point of view but I was throwing out few different scenarios….I also said best case scenario wren trades Hanson and/or Paul m to acquire at least 1 premier outfielder winter mtgs then make a splash with greinke signing….obviously if braves acquire a Willingham type , 25-35 homer left fielder or a Dexter cf then we would still have capacity to add stud ace…I want the braves to step up this winter…how many years have we gone without young true lf?? Tired of platoons..Prado brought above avg production to lf but I’m sure most would agree he deserves 3rd or 2nd base his all star position..MC clouth was …Bourne started of great then faded…obviously josh Hamilton is out price range…I want braves upgrade their offense in a huge way….I’m sure we could entice pagan for 4yrs 25 mill or Shane victorino similar contract..that would only work if we acquire lf via trade and their avg Salary 8mill or less…Iaagree braves should consider locking up Freeman and j hey but they need help..uggl bouncing back is only hopeful wishing
What on Earth makes you think Hanson, Maholm, or even both, are worth a premier OF? Even a team like the Rockies, starving for pitching, wouldn’t send a premier OF for both those guys. You have to give talent to get talent. Pagan and Victorino will make more than $6M/yr. Pagan may be playing himself into a contract close to $10M/yr, sadly.
What is the problem with a platoon? It puts your players in the best position to succeed. Who cares if we don’t have a superstar everyday player? If we have two players that can equal a stars numbers, with no split dropoffs, why would you not do that? It’s cheaper, gives you more bench options (more important than you’re emphasizing) and if they can play good defense, becomes extremely valuable.
How different would the last 2 seasons been had we signed Carlos Beltran 2 years ago?? we need more ops guys 800 plus….not obp guys without Power
So now we are paying 22 million for bj and justin. Then, we are paying what, 15ish million a year for greinke. So 37 million tied up in three players, but Uggla’s 12 million, plus McCann’s 12 million which eqauls 61 million. Then we have Hudson’s 9 million ( I think it is 9) option so we are at 70 million dollars. 20 million left to spend on the other 19-20 players…. I love MLB the Show trade scenarios/gm’s.
Dang, plus the buying the arbitration years of J-Hey and Freeman, oops.
Don’t feed the trolls.
Ok I didn’t.know I’d be considered a troll just 4 throwing 2different scenarios…I assumed this site was 4 ALL Atl braves fans and their input..just because I’m not saying what everybody else is saying doesn’t mean I’m a troll..I’d love to hear sum input on who we could acquire via trade or free agency….some realistic ideas ….
Fyi I wasn’t saying sign greinke plus Bj and Justin Upton..I was saying either or but I’m sure the intellectual s actually read and understood those are 2 efferent scenarios…
I’m all 4 signing greinke and then flipping Hanson Paul m and even mike minor 4 the right outfield er..
Pagan stock increasing with post season production..but Shane b should be bargain 6mill per player..even If we trade 4 Willingham then r who occupies center field??
I strongly dislike nick Swisher, Cody Ross will never agree to contract with braves..I don’t know who else would b better option on free.agent.list.
Regarding platoons…we all witnesses Matt Diaz fall off the earth..used to rake and was considered a above avg platoon bat..platoons only work short term, thus requiring Every day of.reed Johnson should b re signed but used sparingly and pinch hits only..if constanza/ reed Johnson is best braves do this winter then were
http://m.espn.go.com/mlb/story?storyId=4962429
10 mill in 2013 & 14.5 2014-15…. Gold glove left fielder plus power, plus trade for Fowler ,revere, denard, parra, type and then make a push 4 greinke late
IMO
I’d much rather have an extremely strong bench of reed Johnson d Ross Juan Francisco Constanza Super utility Guy than the usual
NO MORE PLATOONS
stop shopping@ Wally world and visit Macys once in awhile, redeem prestigious status….Fans deserve as much
A realistic scenario would have us making a push for either a 3b or a lf (hopefully a righty at that)/ another bench bat/ either extending bourn which is probably a possibility given his second half drop off (possibly a lower price per) or finding a leadoff center fielder. The only big splash we need to do is to sign that very good lf or 3b. Trading Delgado/Gilmartin/Spruill/Hanson with zero value/ and possibly Minor are not moves that need to be made this offseason. All of those pitchers are either 1.good pitchers 2.young top tier talent pitchers 3. and/or cost effective.
We as fans don’t deserve anything else then we got last year. 94 wins is a great season, great. Our team is a great team. What else does Frank Wren need to do for the “deserving” fans? This guy is killing me.
Before we talk about possible free agents and trades we need to see what happens with our current roster. Do we pick up McCann, Hudson, Maholm. Do we let Hanson go or let him go through arbitration. Can we resign Bourn. After those things sort out we can look at what we still need which will probably not be getting a new ace as I think the Braves are content with the rotation possibilities for next year. I think we may look at signing a Willingham or Pagan if they are not too pricey. We may look at trades for a Fowler or Parra. But we don’t even know what way were going until we know about our current roster first.
I’ll answer all those very quickly without having to wait for what the Braves actually do.
Pick up McCann, Hudson, Maholm – Yes to all
Let Hanson go – Yes
Can we resign Bourn – No
Now what?
P.S. Can we please, for the love of all that’s holy, get rid of this fucking white washed background?? I can’t read for more than 5 minutes without my eyes hurting.
True. This “redesign” is so awful I almost can’t even get through an entire article. I have to use the mobile version. The way the comments appear now is terrible and pretty much ruins the discourse here.
I figure that it will go something like this:
Mac,Maholm and Huddy’s options picked up
Uggla not traded
all our arb eligible players will be tendered excluding Jurrjens.
Hanson “may” get traded if the opportunity arises and the return is fair.
Prado will move to 3B because it’s easier to replace him in LF than it would be to find a decent 3B option.
One of the following will play Left in 2013: Hunter,Swisher,Ludwick,Kubel,Choo,Victorino,Upton
One of the following will play CF in 2013: Bourn,Pagan,Victorino,BJ Upton,Bourjos,Parra,Span
all have varying levels of probability….
any more than that is fairly silly speculation IMO.
and as far as trading Uggla for peanuts, he was the 7th most valuable 2B in MLB last year AND was worth more than his pay (3.5 fWAR) true his power was down, but it’s bad mgmt. to sell low on a player outperforming his salary thus creating a need where there was none)
I predict Constanza will start next year.
I sure as hell hope not, he’s not a major league caliber player. He’s a 5th OF’er on a good team.
Oh , and to not pick up Huddy’s option (and Maholms really) is silly. You can’t get equal value for the pair for less than $15.5 mill (you may get equal value by signing Greinke for $21 mill AAV however) and then you are depending on Delgado or Teheran instead of having the luxury of using them if there’s an injury.
that’s not good GM work if you allow that to happen. not on a mid market team especially
Maholm Gattis and Pastornicky to Minn for Joe Benson and Ryan Doumit Then pick up McCann’s option and offer him and Uggla to the Yanks for Zoilo Almonte and Casey MCGehee
lol
Really??? Can we please stop these made up/video game trade scenarios?? Please stop trolling with these dumb comments. This is not the AJC, and hopefully it never will be.
If you wanted that, Bobby there shouldve been banned long ago.
Gota envy Texas rangers farm system position player depth…mike o and j profar are studs wish we..maybe were creative enough to wrangle mike O from Texas….e .gattis could potentially make impact by all star break if he continues 2 Rake..
Hanson must and will be traded unless he regains form and velocity asap…Paul m option will b picked up but could b traded easily also Gota consider selling high on mike minor but only 4 the correct piece, rh power ops 850.Plus
B Mac option will b picked up but almost want 2.offer him 2 yr contract instead for 20 mill total…12 in 2013& 8 in 2014..
Definitely Gota start locking up arbitration guys like Prado, meds, j hey early like Tampa rays and milwaukee have done
To be honest, the lack of content in the offseason and display have me going to talkingchop 4-5x more frequently than here. The mobile version makes figuring out the timeline of comments and replies to comments nearly impossible. Ill swing back by in a few days to see if we got some new shenanigans to feast on.